TRC 221 translation
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starladyIntense day at work was intense. I do not know our products by their colors! I do not drink our products (or our competition's, for that matter)! Pretend I'm color-blind, sales reps, and tell me your order by product # or name!
Ahem. Still no color pages this week. Something's going down--who wants to speculate? A full color chapter? A 29th volume? Color spread at the end?
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Yuuko: There is no need for you to bear anything more.
You have already suffered enough.
And the others of you as well.
Chapitre 221: The Providence That Was Reserved
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Yuuko: However,
Even if we match our price,
It is difficult to give people life.
It's not that you will be able simply to be reborn, living your life and forgetting everything.
Even if you are born anew,
Your memories will remain.
The happy memories and the harsh memories.
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And you will meet "this time" once again.
Shaoran: This time?
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Yuuko: ...Now,
It is not the case that time is simply flowing in only one way from the past to the future.
The past and the future are mixed,
Multiply twisted and entangled.
Sakura: Because that person broke the principle...
Yuuko: Yes.
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Yuuko: But
There is also a providence that is not broken.
The past and the future--
What decides everything is only choices in the "present."
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!!! page 06-07
Yuuko: You will go through new lives.
But once again,
You will encounter the others of you.
What will decide what happens when you encounter them
Is you. [TN: All these "you"s are in the plural.]
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Shaoran: ...I..
Hurt various people...
Even Sakura...
Yuuko: That was not your will.
You were merely made to move according to Fei Wong's expectation.
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Shaoran: But
The one who did it
...was me.
FX: Clench
Sakura: Even
If that is true,
If what you have done is a sin,
I want to bear that sin as well.
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Shaoran: ...Sakura...
Sakura: If I'm punished sometime because of that, that's fine.
I want to live with you.
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Yuuko: The choice is made.
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FX: Gentle movement
FX: Magic
Shaoran: After we're born, we...
Yuuko: You will come into the world in the same dimension, the same world, and the same time.
Without fail, you will be able to meet.
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Sakura: I can finally say it.
I...
Love you.
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Shaoran: Me too.
The world's tomorrow,
Their future,
Will certainly come...
Best chapter yet, I say. What are the odds that the clones are Shaoran Jr.'s parents?
Ahem. Still no color pages this week. Something's going down--who wants to speculate? A full color chapter? A 29th volume? Color spread at the end?
!!! page 01
Yuuko: There is no need for you to bear anything more.
You have already suffered enough.
And the others of you as well.
Chapitre 221: The Providence That Was Reserved
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!!! page 02
Yuuko: However,
Even if we match our price,
It is difficult to give people life.
It's not that you will be able simply to be reborn, living your life and forgetting everything.
Even if you are born anew,
Your memories will remain.
The happy memories and the harsh memories.
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!!! page 03
And you will meet "this time" once again.
Shaoran: This time?
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!!! page 04
Yuuko: ...Now,
It is not the case that time is simply flowing in only one way from the past to the future.
The past and the future are mixed,
Multiply twisted and entangled.
Sakura: Because that person broke the principle...
Yuuko: Yes.
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!!! page 05
Yuuko: But
There is also a providence that is not broken.
The past and the future--
What decides everything is only choices in the "present."
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!!! page 06-07
Yuuko: You will go through new lives.
But once again,
You will encounter the others of you.
What will decide what happens when you encounter them
Is you. [TN: All these "you"s are in the plural.]
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!!! page 08
Shaoran: ...I..
Hurt various people...
Even Sakura...
Yuuko: That was not your will.
You were merely made to move according to Fei Wong's expectation.
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!!! page 09
Shaoran: But
The one who did it
...was me.
FX: Clench
Sakura: Even
If that is true,
If what you have done is a sin,
I want to bear that sin as well.
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!!! page 10
Shaoran: ...Sakura...
Sakura: If I'm punished sometime because of that, that's fine.
I want to live with you.
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!!! page 11
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!!! page 12
Yuuko: The choice is made.
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!!! page 13
FX: Gentle movement
FX: Magic
Shaoran: After we're born, we...
Yuuko: You will come into the world in the same dimension, the same world, and the same time.
Without fail, you will be able to meet.
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!!! page 14-15
Sakura: I can finally say it.
I...
Love you.
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!!! page 16
Shaoran: Me too.
The world's tomorrow,
Their future,
Will certainly come...
Best chapter yet, I say. What are the odds that the clones are Shaoran Jr.'s parents?
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(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 22:50 (UTC)I wanna say
omg clones yes finally ;___;
and agree with "Best chapter yet, I say."
but
"What are the odds that the clones are Shaoran Jr.'s parents?"
argh CLAMP.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 22:50 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 22:53 (UTC)argh CLAMP!
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 22:54 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 23:42 (UTC)What are the odds that the clones are Shaoran Jr.'s parents?
I've been hoping for this for weeks now 8D
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 23:47 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-18 23:57 (UTC)this, I am confused by that.
Wasn't it already established that R!Syao's parents are CCS!Sakura and Syaoran? why would it be the clones? they don't have the same magical powers. Also, why would C!Syao teach him chinese martial arts and the Li magic? let alone have the jian sword if that were true? Sorry for askin, I am just confused by that statement ^^;
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 00:11 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 00:30 (UTC)however, I thought that it was pretty clear that CCS!Saku and Syao are the parents of R!Syao.
Regarding the clone matter though, I would hope to see that they had their own separate lives away from R!Syao (in a separate country). That seems to make more sense to me than the clones being R!Syao's parents.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 00:38 (UTC)But it wouldn't make sense to interrupt the final battle against FWR to tell us that the clones are somewhere else. However, to interrupt it to explain to us that these two characters who've just joined the battle are actually the reincarnations of the clones? Does make sense.
Besides, they'll both keep their memories. It would be awful if they were born in a totally random country and never got to find out if R!Syao and the others won, or what.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 22:22 (UTC)So CCS!Sakura and Reincarnated!Sakura are two different Sakura's? That makes sense... except for the part that Reincd!Sakura has star power - the same as CCS!Sakua's?
>>>But it wouldn't make sense to interrupt the final battle against FWR to tell us that the clones are somewhere else. However, to interrupt it to explain to us that these two characters who've just joined the battle are actually the reincarnations of the clones? Does make sense.
This I agree with completely... poor them! Just how long were they hidden for?
>>>Besides, they'll both keep their memories. It would be awful if they were born in a totally random country and never got to find out if R!Syao and the others won, or what.
And again, this only makes sense if CCS!Sakura and Reincd!Sakura are two different people, as you never get any memory recall in CCS.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 00:46 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 00:36 (UTC)Isn't if funny to think that papa!Syaoran encountered his original when his son was born? What a paradox!
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 00:40 (UTC)Narcolico says
Date: 2009-05-19 00:15 (UTC)It was never established that CCS and Shaoran were their parents.
If the Clones are the parents, then those Seishirou's statements about Shoran looking like his father are starting to make sense...
Re: Narcolico says
Date: 2009-05-19 00:44 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 00:44 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 01:28 (UTC)Considering that the clones will be keeping their memories, the idea that they could reincarnate into Li Xiaolang and Sakura Kinomoto seems right out, as well.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 22:56 (UTC)But that does make me wonder about the powers - Clow's and CCS!Sakura's (very developed ones)- and which world/dimension/thing they were hiding in to have that much power and not get noticed by FWR, Clow, Mokonas, All the Sakura's, all the Syaoran's and Fai??? That is one big list of people...
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 00:41 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 04:27 (UTC)thanks for the translation <33333333333333333
I could die in peace(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 05:00 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 06:32 (UTC)they deserve their happy ending!, for sure!!
can't wait to see their life together TT-TT!!!
so happy they get to keep their memories too :3
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 07:58 (UTC)What are the odds that the clones are Shaoran Jr.'s parents?
Of course, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have the same strong feeling about that as the twisted truth. So that would mean that Sakura and Syaoran were never the ones from CCS in the first place. That would actually be a relief. I was beginning to think that Mokona had forgotten her original CCS designs.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 21:59 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 08:53 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 16:30 (UTC)Besides, we now know that Clow gave up what was left of his magical powers to save Syaoran. Wouldn't it be possible for those powers to be passed on to him, in order to better enable him to change the future? And have we not seen Junior's father use Clow's magic--something that Li Xiaolang never demonstrated the ability to do?
Furthermore, as the clones are being reincarnated, couldn't one of them be reborn as a true descendant of Clow?
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 17:56 (UTC)As for Clow's magic passing to Clone|Syaoran, you are twisting a bit what happened there: Clow's magic and life are a payment, not some kind of transfer of power ^^;; And I suspect this price is actually barely enough to save his life and enable Clone|Syao's rebirth in the future, it must be very expensive to save a soul that way x___x At least, this is how I understood things went on.
Now, unlike what it seems, it's not like I absolutely want them to be CCS, actually I resent Clamp for making them suffer so much and screw up their lives so far together with their kid :(
But for the time being, I see no solid reasoning that would undoubtedly disqualify them as the CCS|SxS couple. Of course, there is also no reason that would absolutely disqualify them as being the reincarnated clones either ^^
The part involving the fight stopped in chapter219 (chapters 220 and 221 were about the clones); I think we will be back with the battle in chapter 222, and seeing how we are dangerously nearing the end, I believe Clamp should give us a key and absolute revelation that would identify definitely the identity of Parents|SxS~
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 19:26 (UTC)When the two were putting the worlds back together, Sakura was using the star magic, while Syaoran was using the Li magic, just like his son. There were also various points made in the series that made it clear (at least, from what I could tell) that most of the evidence points to CCS!Saku and Syao being R!Syao's parents. Like I said before, R!Syao inherited his father's jian sword. He also uses the Shorai spells, just like his father. Another thing, when P!Saku and Syao were turning back their own time, they used the same magic (the star magic and the Li magic)
Also, so R!Syao could even go on his journey in the first place, P!Sakura gave up the star wand as a price. Yuuko said eariler in xxholic that CCS!Saku and Syao are LIVING in the Japan we know. R!Syao also comes from that Japan.
As for the dream P!Saku was referring to in Chap.217. We know that CCS!Sakura often saw dreams of the future. They were never of the present or of the past. So, I think that CCS!Sakura was giving her star wand to her future self, which would be P!Sakura.
C!Sakura never was able to use the star wand, let alone the star magic, so it wouldn't explain how she would be P!Saku. CCS!Sakura CREATED that magic herself. Same with C!Syao, and how he is unable to use the Li magic. Just because the two are reincarnated, doesn't mean that they obtain this instantly, just like cutesherry pointed out. The clones were made after R!Syao made his wish to turn back time. I don't get how they could be his parents, when before that distortion, they didn't even exist.
C!Syao and Saku being R!Syao's parents just doesn't make that much sense to me, nor do I see enough evidence supporting that. I think CLAMP made it clear that it wasn't the clones, but you can never really tell at this point. I really hope not though x_x;
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 19:47 (UTC)But as you said, Clamp pretty much spent their whole time, since the very first volumes of both TRC and Holic, throwing hints right and left about the *mysterious* and invisible parents to be CCS|SxS. And for the parents to use the exact same magic, specially the Star Magic in Sakura's case, Syaoran's chinese jiang, the fact they both are from CCS=Holic world, them being related to Clow Reed, even up to their chinese fashion should indeed be definite and absolute proofs of their identities.
That said, Clamp has been using a VERY convenient excuse: that the Logic of the World was overthrown and that everything was a mess, that even the Past and Future were mixed...from that point on, what seems so 'logic' might not be and Clamp might just as well use this *excuse* to make up some crazy out of the world scenario *unfortunately*
Finally, that aside, I really want to know where are Parents|SxS bodies? (we can see that they are somehow transparent in the fight)
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-19 20:32 (UTC)Good question on the bodies note...um...if it were CCS!Saku and Syao,I am sure they kept it somewhere safe. Touya and Yukito may be looking after them (with Kero and Tomoyo...or maybe them).
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 01:37 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 01:18 (UTC)1) The strange clothes Junior's parents are wearing could be considered evidence against their being CCS|Xiaolang and Sakura. I say "strange," because his mother's dress bears only a superficial resemblance to real Chinese clothing. (Even if it was CLAMP's idea of hanfu, why would Sakura be wearing it? She never showed any inclination to adopt Chinese customs, while Xiaolang readily adapted to Japanese customs.)
2) The jian Xiaolang used is quite different from the one Junior's father used. Look at how much smaller it is. (http://i39.tinypic.com/t5lgrr.jpg) Also note the slight coloring differences.
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Date: 2009-05-20 01:34 (UTC)That said, though, I'm not sure how much stock to put in the differences between the CCS and TRC versions of Shaoran and Jr.'s swords, because the art styles are so vastly different. (Though you're right that the swords are actually not that similar...)
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Date: 2009-05-20 00:54 (UTC)I bring that up because of the way Fei Wang speaks of Junior--he says that "Clow's blood runs through his veins." If Junior was only indirectly related to Clow, then that phrase would seem strange, wouldn't it? Also, keep in mind that a direct descendant wouldn't have to have a surname of Reed/Read or Li if he descended from a daughter of Clow who married into a different family.
Also, I know I was twisting the magic bit, but I mentioned it because of how the events of the story are being juxtaposed with each other: shortly after finding out that Junior's father received Clow's magic, we find out that Clow gave up the rest of his powers to save Syaoran. Doesn't that seem more than a coincidence to you?
Keeping that in mind, why would Ms. Ohkawa place this scene with the clones in the middle of the final battle? If she only wanted us to know that the clones were moving on to a happy life with one another, then why wouldn't she save these chapters for the end of the series?
Granted, Ms. Ohkawa could be setting us up to believe that the parents are the clones, in order to reveal that the parents are in fact Xiaolang and Sakura from CCS--but that would be twisting the plot for the sake of twisting the plot. All things aside, having the clones become the parents would be far more suited to the story than having CCS|Xiaolang and Sakura become the parents. You see, the former is far, far more emotionally relevant than the latter, which in truth only appeals to fans of CCS.
Regardless, I'm glad you mentioned how upset you are about the pain Junior's parents went through. Every time I read about how much someone believes them to be CCS|Xiaolang and Sakura, I can't help but think that they want them to have horrible futures.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 01:32 (UTC)I also like your point about the relevance of interrupting the final battle--if the clones become people who are completely unrelated, it's way more appropriate to have in an epilogue or other sort of atogaki. Particularly since Ohkawa is totally leading us on when Yuuko says that what happens when the reincarnated clones meet the originals will be up to them to decide.
I also agree that the thought of CCS!Shaoran and Sakura having to suffer so much pain is just too sad. ;_; Sad I tell you.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 20:30 (UTC)and yet, it can't help but to make me wonder...was FWR trying to bring Yuuko back just to prove that he was "successful" in doing something that Clow wasn't? or is it because she is "dear" to him?
the whole matter with R!Syao's parents is just mind boggling to everyone. For now, I am sticking to "its CCS!Saku and Syao" unless proven otherwise, however if it turns out its the clones, I won't be too happy. There just isn't enough evidence for me to take that into consideration just yet. I'm not saying this because I am a CCS!fan (which I am) but I am saying it because it just doesn't make any sense to me. I would be alot more happier if it were the CCS!Saku and Syao, only because what we have seen so far is more justified. Also, if it so happened to be that the clones are the parents, R!Syao would of said something...even Watanuki. Because, they both are "each other" and they can recognize their own parents. They only treat the clones as "another self" not really "parents".
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 23:10 (UTC)And the shrunk, soul-like ones would have to be careful not to give too much away, or they'd further break the boundaries of space and time that they are trying to fix!
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 23:42 (UTC)still, R!Syao and Watanuki both knew it was their parents, probably because of the magic aura. While Wata doesn't know it himself consciously, he can tell this, apart from the clone, whom he thought was just another Syaoran.
Another thing, the ones in the tube only remember what happened in the past, before the dimensional rip occurred. They do not recall of the journey that their son's clone went on (nor of their son really, only the pre-story stuff that took place from 189 to 203).
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 00:50 (UTC)No, no, the ones in the tube didn't turn back their time, they have just taken their soul forms (when they left the tubes, there is definately some growing backwards involved).^^
still, R!Syao and Watanuki both knew it was their parents, probably because of the magic aura. While Wata doesn't know it himself consciously, he can tell this, apart from the clone, whom he thought was just another Syaoran.
They don't recognise the clones as their parents, because they are not - only the reincarnated ones are - and they don't appear until this final battle, which is where they are recognised.
Another thing, the ones in the tube only remember what happened in the past, before the dimensional rip occurred. They do not recall of the journey that their son's clone went on (nor of their son really, only the pre-story stuff that took place from 189 to 203).
You have to remember they are the reincarnations of the CLONES. So, if we go through it step-by-step, it's like this:
-Sakura remembers her life before the wings with Clow as her father, meeting Clone!Syaoran and then the whole journey until she is killed by the clone. This includes the fact that she is a clone.
Syoaran remembers his father as Fujitaka, meeting Sakura, taking her to Yuuko, and the whole journey until he sacrifices himself. This includes the fact that he is a clone.
So they do actually have memories of the whole thing, nearly.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 00:59 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 20:42 (UTC)Second, the ones in the tube did turn back their time so they could pay the price to keep the worlds in balance and left Watanuki and R!Syao behind (see chap 216) Yuuko even stated it herself. To do that though, they used the star magic (that only Sakura K. can use) and the Li magic (that only Syaoran li and R!Syao can use)
One other thing I forgot to mention, Yuuko said she never met Sakura Kinomoto or Syaoran Li (this was stated several times), because they were already in the separate world that they sent themselves to. This world was given to Yuuko by Touya Kinomoto and Yukito. She already met the clones.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-22 01:53 (UTC)Jr. definitely has his father's power, which is definitely the power of Li Shaoran, but we've never been told (afaik) in any Clamp manga that the Li family is unique to the CCS!world (and TRC, imo, seems to argue against that being the case).
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 23:01 (UTC)I get the feeling Clamp's been using that term very carefully... well, that or we got lost in translation! XD
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-20 23:44 (UTC)Clow's life and magic was ONLY a price. C!Syao did not receive that and can access its powers.
(no subject)
Date: 2009-05-21 00:44 (UTC)And yes, Clamp is very precise with their language--more precise than most of their translators, I think. ^^
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